I’m not going to lie, I could also be a little bit bit obsessive about intestine well being. The truth is, I speak about it a lot at house that my husband and our buddies have turned it right into a consuming sport. And no, I’m not kidding. However I type of can’t assist myself as a result of it’s a vastly essential matter that’s so essential to our total well being, particularly in the event you’re a lady over 40 who’s making an attempt to reduce weight and get wholesome.
And in the event you’re excited to be taught extra about methods to maintain your intestine wholesome, you’re going to love this visitor interview with Megan Lyons. She’s a double board licensed holistic nutritionist, and she or he has some tremendous useful and sensible tricks to share about, yep, you guessed it: Intestine well being, my favourite matter in the entire world.
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Megan Lyons is a holistic nutritionist who’s the founding father of Lyons Share Wellness, the place she teaches about intestine well being, thyroid well being, and a lot extra.
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And let me let you know, Megan not solely is aware of her stuff, she really explains it in a manner that makes it really easy to know, which I believe makes it far more useful. And so with out additional ado, I’m so excited to have the ability to introduce you to our interview visitor, Megan Lyons.
Ruth: Megan, thanks a lot for being right here. It’s so nice to have you ever. Let’s simply begin by getting a little bit background, who you’re, what you do and the way you bought to doing what you at the moment are.
Megan: After all. So like most of us, I’ve type of a winding journey that in hindsight seems to be prefer it all flows collectively.
But it surely didn’t really feel like that each one the best way on the time. I began out really within the enterprise world. I studied economics at Harvard and I acquired an MBA and I used to be working in administration consulting and I actually favored it. It was enjoyable. However throughout that, I had my very own private well being journey that principally resulted in me burning out.
I used to be burning the candle at a number of ends. I used to be over exercising. I didn’t know methods to nourish my physique. I used to be actually getting my well being info from magazines on the time, which sounds archaic now, however there was no Instagram. I didn’t know methods to entry PubMed. So I used to be doing all of the issues they mentioned.
And at 23, I walked into a health care provider’s workplace who fortunately examined my hormones, which is definitely fairly progressive wanting again, and she or he mentioned, “Your hormones are decrease than the postmenopausal girls that I see. One thing should be fallacious. It’s essential to simply need to be on remedy for the remainder of your life.” And I simply knew proper then that if I had gotten myself into this example that I may additionally get myself out of it.
In order that began me studying extra about true well being and vitamin. And as soon as you discover it, it’s simply actually laborious to not share it. So I ended up leaving that in 2014 and beginning my enterprise, the Lyons Share, and haven’t seemed again since.
Ruth: Wonderful. I do know precisely what you’re speaking about. When you uncover that and your eyes are opened, you’re like, why doesn’t all people do that?
It’s attention-grabbing that your physician would have examined your hormones once you had been solely 23 years outdated, like kudos, however then she instantly went to only put you on remedy for the remainder of your life.
Megan: That’s proper, and I’m really grateful, wanting again, that she did check the hormones, as we mentioned, however I additionally perceive that at that time, it was irregular and it was not mentioned for a 23 yr outdated younger lady to truly have the signs that I used to be having and to tie it to something except for, oh, genetics.
I believe practical medication and all of the associated fields have come up to now since then that as of late it would really feel a little bit bit extra regular to assume, “Oh, hormones, is there a life-style challenge? Is there a vitamin challenge? However again then it simply wasn’t taught and wasn’t considered.
Ruth: So the place did that journey take you then? What did you do first? And what had been the hormonal points that you simply had been having and the way did you determine methods to repair them?
Megan: Completely. So the hormonal points I used to be having, I hadn’t had a interval for over 12 months. So, that’s the official definition of menopause, which I used to be 23 and there needed to be a distinct trigger aside from age associated menopause.
However much more drastic was simply the best way I felt. I’ve by no means been somebody since then or earlier than who looks like I’ve mind fog. I’ve at all times been a excessive vitality particular person, however I might describe it to my husband and people near me as like, “There’s somebody dwelling in my head that simply is making me be in a foul temper and making me drained and I don’t need to be that.” I felt very disconnected from my physique in a manner that I simply didn’t know methods to pinpoint what it was.
And it seems it was a confluence of things. It wasn’t simply estrogen and progesterone, but additionally my thyroid was off and cortisol, which is the stress hormone that type of controls a number of these, that was off. So my entire endocrine system was a little bit wacky, however the second a part of your query was, what did I really do?
I’ve at all times been a reader. I learn a lot for pleasure and for training. So I actually dove into some books and that led me to conferences, which initially of my journey, that was such enjoyable. I might do enterprise throughout the week, after which I might go escape to this weekend convention the place I might simply be taught this entire different aspect of the world, and that’s what ultimately lit me up and brought on me to leap ship from the outdated profession.
Ruth: So then how lengthy did it take so that you can begin feeling higher? Like, did you see the distinction straight away? What did you modify? What did you do?
Megan: Yeah. I want the reply was sure. It will be a a lot better story if it was like, I simply added blueberries after which inside two weeks, I felt wonderful, however it wasn’t that manner for me and happily, or sadly, I don’t assume it’s that manner for most individuals, even those that I see with extra data as of late.
So in complete, it in all probability took me a strong yr and a half to nearly two years to essentially really feel like myself. I felt marginally higher, or I might even have mentioned then largely higher inside in all probability two to 3 months. However wanting again, every part didn’t begin firing once more as a result of I had dug myself so deep right into a gap.
I additionally wasn’t prepared to go all in again then. So I’ll inform my purchasers coping with comparable points proper now. “Okay, if we may simply take you out of your life with like, no child stress, you’re going to stop work for some time, you’re not going to maintain the home, you’re simply going to go reside on a seaside in Tahiti and eat natural meals that you simply grew in your yard.
“Effectively, you would in all probability heal a little bit bit faster, however most of us usually are not prepared to try this or in a position to try this.” And I definitely had one toe into the therapeutic as a result of I actually believed in it, but additionally one toe again in my outdated life, as a result of I like being that onerous charging particular person.
And even as we speak, I nonetheless continuously get to test myself as a result of I do know I can simply revert to that one that will sleep when she’s lifeless and can overwork and can do all this stuff. That does nonetheless gentle me up if I’m completely sincere. I simply know higher now that it’s not good. It doesn’t have the glitz and glamour that it appears to have in my head.
And it at all times leads me really feel worse. So, I don’t know if that was a solution to your query, however that was a part of my journey.
Ruth: No, it was. And I believe it’s so good to truly contact on that as a result of I believe a number of instances, individuals need a fast repair. And also you at all times need to assume, you didn’t get to the place you’re proper now in a single day. And therapeutic your self and therapeutic your physique, particularly since you nonetheless have life… You continue to have all these different influences which are coming in. It’s laborious to vary every part unexpectedly.
It’s a strategy of therapeutic. And it feels like that’s the way it was for you. So inform us a little bit bit extra about what you do, what you do now and the place your degree of experience is. Trigger you’ve acquired all these holistic vitamin levels and achieved all this stuff.
You appear a little bit kind A, can I say that?
Megan: You possibly can say it and I’ll settle for it. Once you go all in, you’re like, I’m going all in. So I do prefer to go all in. My enterprise aspect would say, “Oh, Megan, you’ve acquired to have a distinct segment. It’s important to have one particular specialty. And my coronary heart says there are such a lot of individuals on the market which are best for you which have a wide range of completely different circumstances.”
And I’ve adopted my coronary heart, actually, on this enterprise. So I don’t have one particular kind of consumer that I work with. I’ve a crew of practical nutritionists as effectively that work with me. And we work with everybody from somebody who is perhaps 25 and simply beginning to find out about well being… It’s like me again within the day… all the best way as much as our oldest consumer who has been 87.
However I might say the majority of individuals we work with, in all probability 70 to 80 % of our purchasers, are these girls of their forties or perhaps late thirties, perhaps early fifties, perhaps sixties, even who’re simply beginning to really feel like their physique doesn’t work the identical because it did earlier than, that they’re doing the identical issues and so they’re consuming the identical, perhaps even higher.
And so they’re sleeping and so they’re making an attempt to test all of the bins, however one thing’s a little bit bit off. And so for me, it’s actually enjoyable to have that be like a detective puzzle. Is it the thyroid? Is it the intestine? Is it the best way that they’re feeling and so they simply don’t know methods to gasoline? Like I didn’t know again once I was 23, however that’s the attribute that draws me to an individual or attracts an individual to me, somebody who says, “I’ve tried all of the issues and I’m nonetheless not feeling optimum.”
Ruth: I like that. So what do you discover inside that type of inhabitants? The majority of your purchasers that you simply see in that late thirties to let’s say early sixties vary, what’s your first suspicion? Do you may have a hierarchy of what it normally is?
Megan: Sure, that’s such an amazing query. I adore it. I might in all probability say that if I had to decide on one, it normally begins within the intestine. I imagine nearly all the points that we’re coping with as we speak begin within the intestine.
So lots of people now are saying, Oh, no, effectively, it’s not my intestine. I’m common. And even then I’d probe a little bit bit deeper and so they’re like, yeah, I’m common. I’ve a bowel motion each 4 days. And it’s type of pebbly and dry. However that’s not common, by the best way, however we would not really feel like their digestive signs are their worst signs.
I do discover although that nearly at all times after we give attention to lowering that irritation within the intestine, then we are able to give attention to among the different signs. So intestine would in all probability be primary. Truthfully, with this demographic, I’m going to say thyroid might be going to be quantity two. Lots of people say, Oh, it should be my thyroid.
And so they don’t actually know, however oftentimes they’re proper. Our trendy meals society is ready up. not for supportive or for wholesome blood sugar. And so that may be the basis of a number of the problems as effectively. So the third, if I had to decide on a 3rd, it might be blood sugar, which is getting increasingly talked about as of late.
Ruth: So let’s return to intestine well being as a result of that’s such an enormous one for individuals and I believe that it’s beginning to get talked about a little bit bit extra. However I don’t assume it will get talked about practically sufficient. So how does that turn out to be the factor that’s affecting every part else in your physique? Are you able to clarify that a little bit bit extra? Like, why is it so essential?
Megan: Completely. So the intestine needs to be like a display door that has the tiniest little holes in it attainable.
So we’re not making an attempt to let any bugs in our home with our display door. We’re not making an attempt to let any meals particles into our bloodstream from our intestine. And that’s why the intestine is that this semi permeable lining. Solely escaping by way of the intestine lining needs to be little micronutrients, perhaps some vitamin C or perhaps another type of supportive issues that our blood can carry the place it must go.
However when we’ve stress, when we’ve poisonous publicity, when we’ve extreme extremely processed meals, when we’ve alcohol, when we’ve antibiotics, this entire lengthy checklist of issues, that intestine lining simply begins changing into like a very outdated display door that now the holes are a lot larger and extra stuff can escape by way of.
And when stuff, like an entire chunk now of broccoli or no matter meals you eat, will get into the bloodstream, your physique mounts this assault on it. Your immune system comes into play and that creates irritation. And irritation now we all know has been related to most cancers and sort two diabetes and heart problems, all this stuff the place irritation is definitely a contributor.
If it occurs in a small space, like if I sprained my ankle and my ankle will get infected, that’s useful. However when our intestine is having these points and creating all this irritation, that’s when all of the signs begin. So if we are able to simply give attention to therapeutic up that intestine lining, then we are able to cut back the irritation and get the physique again to a baseline after which work out what different downstream impacts or conditions we have to resolve.
Ruth: So how does anyone know if they’ve intestine points? You mentioned individuals assume, “Oh, my poop is common,” however like, are you able to inform by your poop? Or is it different issues you must have a look at? Or what are the large indicators?
Megan: Yeah, actually nice query. So I can say you possibly can inform your intestine just isn’t wholesome by your poop.
And so a wholesome bowel motion needs to be that we’re having it one to 3 instances per day. Going to the lavatory one to 3 instances per day, individuals assume that’s lots. Individuals assume each one to 3 days is extra regular, however it’s not. And it ought to have the ability to have a bowel motion with out espresso, laxatives, any of that type of stuff.
Now I like espresso, so I’m not saying it’s a must to surrender espresso altogether, however we are able to’t depend on that to have a bowel motion every single day. And other people can really Google one thing referred to as the Bristol Stool Scale– which you’ve by no means wished to see a lot poop multi function image– however it ought to appear to be that quantity 4. The Bristol Stool Scale has one to seven. And primary is extra like pellets, like little teeny pellets. And quantity seven is like diarrhea and 4 is correct within the center. I prefer to check with it as frozen yogurt consistency, though that turns individuals off from frozen yogurt.
So I’m sorry however that’s what it ought to appear to be. And we should always have it one to 3 instances a day. So if it’s not that, and what, let’s be sincere. Everybody has instances that it’s not precisely like that. So if it occurs a few times, please don’t freak out. But when , “Oh my gosh, each single time it’s diarrhea or no matter, then , your intestine just isn’t wholesome.”
However let’s say you’re that one that has one quantity 4 bowel motion each single day on the stool scale. So that you’re like, Oh no, it’s not me. A pair different actually frequent issues I see: Primary, pores and skin points. So pores and skin is immediately reflective of intestine well being. For lots of my purchasers who’re coping with eczema or rosacea or zits, even grownup zits, this could be a manifestation of poor intestine well being.
Additionally mind fog is likely one of the commonest issues that I see. So I had mind fog again once I was going by way of my well being journey. And that was a sign to me that one thing was off, however individuals who simply really feel like, , I’m simply not as sharp. I simply can’t focus as a lot as I used to have the ability to focus.
After which issues like continual cravings, like I’m maintaining a healthy diet meals, and I nonetheless simply can’t maintain my hand out of the sweet jar there. That’s in all probability a sign that you simply’re not absorbing your vitamins effectively sufficient and so that you’re having these cravings. So lots of people assume, “Oh, you bought to take a probiotic, proper?”
Ruth: That’s good in your intestine. Like, is that each one it’s a must to do? Or what are the steps to get your intestine more healthy in the event you really feel prefer it’s not wholesome.
Megan: Yeah, completely. So I might say that probiotics had their heyday the place each single particular person mentioned that everybody must be on a probiotic after which they had been type of vilified like, “Oh, my gosh, no, don’t do probiotics.”
And I are likely to fall someplace within the center the place I really assume most individuals would profit from a probiotic. In the event that they’re not consuming a number of fermented meals, like sauerkraut and kimchi and actual pickles and kefir and tempeh. There are every kind of various fermented meals the place in most cultures, they’ve traditionally consumed fermented meals as a part of their common diets. We don’t eat a number of that every day. So most individuals I believe would profit from a probiotic. However there are a few of these circumstances like SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, the place the micro organism type of go up too far into the small gut.
And a probiotic may even make that worse. So because of this some individuals are cautious. However I might say that most individuals know that in the event that they take a probiotic and their signs worsen, then that’s in all probability not the very best for you. In any other case, in the event you’re not consuming fermented meals, that could possibly be an excellent transfer for you.
However there are numerous different issues, such as you mentioned, and one in all them is lowering the inflammatory content material of our meals. Most of our meals as of late is packaged and extremely processed and I’m definitely not excellent right here regardless that that is my job. I’ve undoubtedly had packaged meals previously 24 hours, regardless that I actually attempt to put together nearly all of my meals. However I’m human and it’s 2024 and that’s okay.
Nevertheless, as a way to keep shelf steady, in that packaged meals is a number of merchandise which are irritating to our intestine. So in the event you have a look at the label you’ll see chemical soup and you’ll consider that as irritating to your intestine.
After which issues like added sugar and alcohol. And even to some extent, gluten and dairy, which I don’t assume everybody has to get rid of gluten and dairy altogether. But when we have a look at the typical American consuming 8 to 14 servings of gluten per day in complete, that’s lots. That’s an excessive amount of for the typical particular person’s intestine well being. So after we take into consideration all this stuff coming collectively, after which the dearth of Anti-inflammatory vitamins, meals like greens and fruits and wholesome fats and water and even meditation and stress reduction, our food plan is fairly lopsided.
I’ve a handout for my purchasers, which is sort of a see noticed. I simply say, the place’s your see noticed tipped? Are you extra to the inflammatory aspect or extra to the anti-inflammatory aspect? After which we simply select little issues. Okay, can we add yet one more vegetable to your day? Can we add some berries along with your breakfast? Can we swap that sweet bar for no matter else, one other entire meals? It’s simply these little tweaks that get us again to the fundamentals that basically can assist our intestine well being.
Ruth: Attention-grabbing. So in the event you’re making little tweaks, I might assume that your progress goes to go slower, proper? After which in the event you’re going all in, how lengthy would it not take to go from like, my intestine’s a multitude to I acquired a rockin wholesome intestine. What’s the timeframe on that?
And what’s the quickest you would heal your intestine?
Megan: Effectively, these are two completely different questions. The quickest you would heal your intestine, like all in, true kind A kind… I’m gonna shock individuals in all probability on the underwhelming aspect and say three months. As a result of our intestine lining really turns over fairly shortly, relying on the kind of cells. Inside per week for most of the sorts of cells in our intestine lining, so we are able to begin feeling a distinction in a short time. However to completely restore a leaky intestine with intestinal permeability, and to completely cut back that irritation, I’m going to say three months is the shortest time.
After which let’s say, you’re like me with one toe within the therapeutic and one toe in my outdated life-style. If I had had full info, even with out going all in, I believe I may have achieved it in six months realizing now what I do. So I believe three to 6 months for most individuals. Set your sights on that. And we do need to really feel higher.
When you don’t really feel higher in any respect inside two weeks, then that’s not the appropriate protocol for you. However simply set your sights on a little bit bit long term to really feel totally higher.
Ruth: That’s good to know. I really feel like that’s an excellent timeline. It’s laborious to make any actual vital change in your physique in lower than three months. As a result of all of it works collectively and it’s all related. Talking of being all related, let’s discuss a little bit bit about thyroid as effectively, since that’s such an enormous challenge. So if intestine is the primary line of protection, thyroid is subsequent commonest.
How have you learnt if you’re having some kind of thyroid challenge or what makes you observed that?
Megan: Effectively, I believe thyroid points are very tough as a result of primary, they’re nonetheless underdiagnosed, regardless that they’re being talked about extra. Most practitioners will simply check a TSH, which individuals have seen on their lab work, and that’s not even a thyroid hormone.
That’s a hormone secreted by your pituitary that alerts your thyroid to provide the thyroid hormones. So if we’re simply testing that, we’re actually lacking the intricate particulars of what’s happening within the thyroid. But additionally as a result of the signs are so overlapping and many individuals are getting gaslit as a result of among the signs like bloating, constipation, fatigue, cussed weight acquire or incapability to reduce weight, insomnia, mind fog… these may be dismissed as like, “Oh yeah, everybody feels that manner. That’s regular.” And regular on this case just isn’t optimum. So perhaps sure, the typical lady does have mind fog and constipation and incapability to reduce weight, however that’s not what we needs to be striving for.
So it’s not optimum. And with no main signal, like, eczema the place there’s a visible manifestation and somebody can have a look at that and say, sure, that’s eczema with thyroid problems, we don’t diagnose the dysfunction. And we don’t at all times even have that. So I believe it’s fairly powerful for individuals to get applicable consideration.
And it’s tremendous, tremendous frequent as of late due to all the stress that we’re below and are altering meals provide and all these issues. As much as 60 % of people that have a thyroid dysfunction or situation don’t even know they’ve it.
Ruth: Wow. Actually?
Megan: Yeah. Thyroid remedy is likely one of the most prescribed drugs on the market.
Ruth: So do you assume the one solution to definitively inform is to get a blood check or have your thyroid examined? I imply, if I take your query for the phrases that you simply mentioned, that’s the one solution to definitively know.
Megan: Sure, I do assume it’s a blood check. So I prefer to order lab exams solely based mostly on my consumer’s urge for food for them. If I had my very own manner and lab exams had been free, I might run all of the lab exams on each single particular person as a result of extra info is healthier for me. However some individuals, they really feel over examined or that it’s not financially possible or many different the reason why individuals wouldn’t need to get a check.
So there are numerous issues that might be supportive of a thyroid situation that actually don’t damage in any other case, like selenium and zinc are thyroid supportive vitamins actually specializing in stress and sleep administration is large so we are able to make some progress even when we don’t formally know. However I believe on the finish of the day, the one solution to definitively know is to run that full thyroid panel, not simply the TSH.
Ruth: Gotcha. However say you do know that you’ve got a thyroid challenge, perhaps you’ve been examined, perhaps you go to the physician, they check you, they are saying, yep, it’s a thyroid challenge and instantly they’re going to need to put you on Synthroid or one thing comparable, proper? So what’s your strategy to that? I’m assuming you are taking extra of a holistic strategy.
Megan: Yeah, so I do. However once more, it relies on the consumer. And typically I’ll discuss to their major care supplier. And different instances we’ll simply let the consumer be the middleman. Some individuals are like, I really feel so unhealthy proper now. I need to take remedy and I’ll work on really therapeutic my physique.
And that’s okay. It’s completely their perspective. Different individuals are like, No, let’s give it a shot. If I can begin feeling higher in three months, then I can keep away from the remedy. And that’s additionally nice. I do know that within the overwhelming majority of instances, we are able to get individuals feeling higher even with out remedy. And that’s wonderful.
However typically remedy is useful. My solely downside with remedy is when practitioners slap it on the particular person with out even giving them a consideration or making an attempt anything. That’s the place I believe we’ve gone fallacious. I don’t assume remedy is all evil although. No, it’s not all evil, however there’s lots that’s.
Ruth: I don’t disagree with that. Large pharma just isn’t my favourite. I speak about that lots. So what are the final life-style modifications that you’d suggest anyone, particularly a lady of their forties, fifties, sixties, to make, to only total really feel higher?
Megan: Sure. So I’ve a button that’s simply exterior of arm’s attain, however I name it my magic button. It doesn’t really do something, sadly, however I’ll present it to my purchasers and be like, if I may change one factor that might take advantage of distinction in your well being, what would it not be? And I promise you 99 instances out of 100, they know what it’s. Perhaps it’s that I haven’t exercised in 10 years, or perhaps it’s, I’m over exercising.
Perhaps it’s, I actually am not sleeping or I’m taking an excessive amount of metaphorically on my shoulders, or I’m gazing a display 14 hours a day, or I’m on this poisonous relationship. Virtually at all times they know the largest factor. And so then my job is to assist them break it down and work out how will we really take motion?
As a result of data with out motion just isn’t actually that useful. But it surely’s laborious. Let’s say somebody’s challenge is stress. Effectively, that’s a lot simpler mentioned than achieved. It’s not similar to, Oh, cease being careworn. Effectively, goodness is aware of they’ve considered that earlier than. We simply have to determine methods to do it. It’s our life-style as of late the place all of us assume we’re tremendous girls… and I do too.
And we expect we should always do all the issues all the time. And that simply doesn’t normally result in a wholesome life-style or physique. So primary is the magic button. What’s your factor that we are able to begin making a little bit little bit of progress on? Quantity two might be associated for most individuals, which is carving out a while within the day for you.
And I do know all the the reason why individuals’s alarm bells are going off saying they will’t, perhaps they’ve a number of children and so they’re working and all of this stuff, however all of us are human and we do want that little time within the day. One of many main issues that helped me in my therapeutic course of was my morning routine.
I adore it within the morning. I don’t assume it needs to be within the morning, however that’s my time. I actually have this pink blanket and I prefer to cozy up even within the Texas summer season and I learn and I do gratitude and I do this stuff that don’t take very lengthy, however they’re soul fulfilling for me. So for another individuals which may imply they’ve a dialog with their greatest buddy on the telephone every single day after they’re strolling or they take a shower, which isn’t my factor, however it’s wonderful if it’s another person’s.
Simply one thing little, a couple of minutes per day which you could carve out for you. After which third, since I believe you requested for 3, or perhaps I simply make every part into three, could be to essentially give attention to these greens. I do know that everybody has heard this. And I do know everybody thinks they need to be consuming extra.
However when I’ve individuals in for the primary time and I say, Oh, are you consuming greens? They’re like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I get to the extra attractive stuff. After which I give them this little publish it be aware. And I say, each time this week that you’ve got a vegetable, simply give me a little bit tally and inevitably they’ll come again and so they’ll be like, Oh my gosh, I believed I used to be consuming actually healthily.
And there are solely two on this tally for the week. So I do assume that specializing in that and never solely what we’re taking out, just like the sugar and all of that type of stuff, however including in these greens could be my third.
Ruth: Find it irresistible. Find it irresistible. Such good recommendation. So Megan, how can anyone discover you to search out out extra about serving to them with all of this stuff?
Megan: The whole lot is linked on my web site, theLyonsShare.org. I’ve been running a blog each week since 2013, so there’s a number of free info up there. If somebody simply desires to look we’ve some enjoyable freebies after which all of the hyperlinks on methods to work with our crew are up there as effectively.
Ruth: Superior. I adore it. Thanks a lot for being right here, Megan. This was so useful and so informative.
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